Contributing Editor for RifleShooter Magazine, Brad Fitzpatrick gives us a review of this modernized version of an iconic favorite. Berger bullet You must log in or register to reply here. This is the powder I load in my Cooper Firearms Model 22 .243 for target shooting. This load shoots in all the .17 Remington's I've owned; at about 4040 fps', the advertised Remington velocity. is short but more than adequate for the cartridges purposes. Accurates powders hung in limbo for some time, overshadowed by Alliant, Hodgdon, IMR and Winchester powders until Western bought Accurate in 2005. Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. The only modification is a HS Varmint stock. The Remington case is about 0.006 inch larger in diameter at its body/shoulder juncture, and its head-space dimension is about 0.004 inch longer. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. All are clean burning and temperature insensitive. However, I have a good H4350 load for the. The powder is just right for the Swift. most accurate 17 remington load - Aromataoils.com Since the .35 Rem. In a precision-built rifle with a good barrel, the .17 Rem. Similar threads 17 fireball and reloader 10 bobcat93 Apr 12, 2016 Reloading Forum (All Calibers) Loading the .17 is really good fun and today there are enough good bullet manufacturers producing high-quality bullets to get the best from the calibre. This rifle was His most successful wildcat, the .17 Hornet Improved, requires an RCBS die set for forming the case. MV with a 20 grain bullet is 3000 fps and MV with a 25 grain bullet is 2600 fps. The powder produced good accuracy and velocity with bullets cast from an RCBS 45-405-FN mould and fired in a Marlin 1895 Guide Gun .45-70. Primer: CCI250 for 168s, Fed215M for the 180s. To show viewers how to succeed at long range, J. Guthrie gears up for a challenging shot while chasing Colorado pronghorn at long range with DPMS' Panther 6.5 Creedmoor. Mag. Joseph VonBenedikt is with Joel Hodgdon to talk about the improved accuracy and long-range potential of the already reliable Core-Lokt ammo line. hollow-point (JHP) varmint bullet at a claimed muzzle velocity (MV) of The M1903 was first used in combat during the Philippine-American War, and it was officially adopted by the United States as the standard infantry rifle on June 19, 1903 . Ackley and others began developing centerfire cartridges smaller than .22 caliber soon after the end of World War II, and they really got busy during the 1950s. Federal Hunter Match. I prefer to zero a varmint rifle for its maximum point These were usually 17 grain varmint hunting loads Nosler 50-grain Ballistic Tips clocked 3,323 fps with 24.5 grains of A-2200 in the .223. Head to Head: .17 Hornet vs. .17 Remington - An Official Journal Of The NRA 17 Remington favorite load recipe - PredatorMasters Forums tried to do our shooting on calm days. ambient air temperature varied between 55 and 80 degrees. With the smallest CCI TNT: smallest group 1/2"; largest group 2-1/4"; instrumental velocities for our five loads, including the highest Ruger No. Re: 17 Remington Load Data. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. These are 5-shot groups fired at 100 yard targets. accurate arms. 136 ft. lbs. I shot LT-32 in two bolt-action .223 Remingtons and LT-30 and LT-32 in a CZ bolt-action 7.62x39. The jacket has a thinner tapered front section with an expanded bearing surface and a long secant ogive. Now we are getting somewhere and all the pressure signs are good. The spherical powder flows smoothly and precisely through a measure, so powder is dispensed directly into cases to reduce loading time. The CCI TNT load uses a 17 grain Speer TNT jacketed Chamfer and deburr the mouth of the case, run it through the full-length resizing die and the case is ready for fire forming with a reduced powder charge (I use a 20-grain bullet seated over 11.0 grains of H4198). As with the 6.5 Creedmoor, it performs best on elk when loaded with tough, deep-penetrating bullets. These last two perform better in faster twist barrels, which really gives the reloader a lot of scope when producing their own ammunition. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. This has been the most consistantly accurate load combo I've found for both 222s'. Norma 17 Remington brass - Saubier.com Though, as with all the .17 bullets, if you push them too fast, too soon, the high rotational spin in flight can cause the bullet to disintegrate before it reaches the target. * We tested two different Marlin Model 917VS and Ruger K77/17VMBBZ rifles. this comparison is the accuracy results. After looking at load data for the 17 Mach IV and looking at Quickload, it seems something in the burn rate of IMR 4198, Vihta Vuori N110, Alliant 2400, Alliant Reloader 7, Hodgdon Lil'Gun, Alliant Blue Dot, and IMR 4227 would meet the requirement. This makes for a light recoil round that has very good long range ballistics. Both bullets are plenty accurate for big-game hunting. Ballistic coefficients of those with plastic tips are considerably higher than the hollowpoints. Hammer Bullets' 18 grain Dead Blow is another excellent nontoxic (California compliant) option milled from a single piece of copper. Standard Large Rifle primers are perfectly adequate for the .35 Rem., as most powder charges are in the 40- to 45-grains range. Wind drift is the .17 HMR's Achilles heel. I shoot mostly 25gr v-max , pushed by TAC in my 17 these days , I feel it gives a little more splat than the 20 gr. Knowledge is the most precious Not good. largest group 2-3/8"; mean average group = 1-13/32". most accurate 41 rem mag loads - Gunloads.com Standard Large Rifle primers are perfectly adequate for the .35 Rem., as most powder charges are in the 40- to 45-grains range. extreme spread 77 fps; average = 2658 fps. The .44 Remington Magnum is an adaptable cartridge when fired from a handgun. Twenty-five-grain bullet weights are the standard factory offering, but I use 20-grain and 25-grain Hornady V-Max bullets with good results. The 7mm Remington Magnum was introduced in 1962 along with the new Remington Model 700. All in all, the fine old .35 Remington continues to hold its own in the midst of new competitors. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. We shot at Outers Score Keeper targets. I've used IMR 4350 and IMR 4831. J. Scott Rupp takes a first look at the Springfield M1A Loaded rifle chambered in the popular 6.5 Creedmoor. This single-base, extruded powder was developed for the .308 Winchester. Accurate 2460 shot 20- and 25-grain bullets a good 250 fps faster than other powders loaded in the .17 Fireball, and with great accuracy. Good "go to" for accurate 223 Rem loads? - benchrest.com As A-2230s name implies, its designed around the .223 Remington. Power Pro 2000MR, IMR 4064, VV N135, TAC, and X-Terminator showed promise with good groups and low C.O.V.s. The powders have a number ranking. Starting and maximum charges vary slightly in the Hornady manual, but no more than to be expected from different lots of the same powders or slight differences in barrels, cases and bullets. A check of the Hodgdon Reloading Center website shows good velocities with Varget, IMR 4320, IMR 3031, H4895, and several others. I am sure placed at a distance of 10 feet from the muzzle of the test rifle. You can use W-748 - 29gn drives the Hornady 50gn Z-Max at 3400 fps; 28gn gets the Speer 52gn HP going 3350 fps; 27gn drives the Sierra 55gn Super Roo at 3300; and 25.5gn pushes the Hornady 60gn V-Max along at about 3100 fps. I recall wondering if close examination would have revealed several .375-inch holes the bears hide. Notes: This data was shot by Brian Pearce, Wolfe Publishing Company. I had some trouble with the 25 grain vmaxes, even though i have a 1:9 twist. All bullets were molly coated, and the groups are 5 shots at 100 yards. Extreme velocity spread for those loads was only 53 fps. For smaller deer it should be literally a bomb. These .35 Remington rounds are loaded with Speer 180- and 220-grain SPFN bullets. CCI TNT: high 2613 fps; low 2517 fps; extreme spread First, a bit of background history. The Federal Premium V-Shok load we tested uses a 17 grain Speer TNT JHP bullet at a claimed MV of 2550 fps and ME of 245 ft. lbs. Favorite loads for your .17 Remington - PredatorMasters Forums During one of those conversations, I requested samples of any sub-caliber wildcats Ackley might have on hand. And it was even chambered in the Winchester Model 70 bolt action, the Marlin Model 336 lever action, the Mossberg Model 479, the Savage Model 170 pump gun, and the Traditions Performance Firearms Outfitter G2 break-action single shot. The .223 Rem can benefit from all the case prep tricks, but good accurate .223 Rem varmint ammo has few secrets. readily available in our local area. I use IMR-3031 with a Hornady 25grHP bullet. PPU's .22 Hornet ammo is ok, just not terribly accurate. After that, the die is set for head-spacing on the shoulder of the case. REMINGTON Premier AccuTip-V: smallest group 13/16"; The Remington factory load of a 25-grain bullet travelling at approximately 3,900fps (from my rifle) generating 845ft/lb energy is great if you do not want to reload. Combine it with a hollow point or polymer tip bullet, and varmints and other small game don't stand a chance. In 1987, Accurate Arms started to move away from the surplus market and began selling newly manufactured propellants. Winchesters Model 1894 lever-action rifle made its debut that year, and it became immensely popular. Powder charges dispense precisely from a powder measure, cutting down on the time loading .223s for the spring gopher campaign. In an attempt to eliminate as much The Cooper Model 21 Varminter I have been using for about several years consistently squeezes five shots inside a half-inch at 100 yards with the various bullet weights. Aug 29, 2009 Was at the gun show this am, looking for some h 4350 powder. CCI BR-4. Top 6 .17 HMR Hunting Loads | An Official Journal Of The NRA This slow-burning, double-based spherical powder is intended mainly for short magnum cartridges and the 7mm and .300 belted magnums. The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. ammunition manufacturers for chronograph testing. Velocity was instrumental 15 feet ahead of the muzzle. Alliants AR-Comp, Power Pro 2000MR, and 1200-R; Vihta Vuori N133; and Accurate 2015 and LT-32 (now part of Hodgdon) are also suitable. Highly accurate cup-and-core, polymer-tipped and Partition bullets cover most bases, and new bonded bullets and several . Also important is to use bullets with a cannelure and to crimp the case mouth to keep the bullet from being pushed back into the case under recoil, which can raise pressures dramatically. Remington and Federal cases were intermediate (at 148.4 and 151.3 grains respectively). SIG Sauer P365 Pistol Now Offered in .380, Savage Model 110 Timberline 6.5 Creedmoor Rifle: Full Review, Casting Your Own Bullets for Lever-Action Rifles, .300 PRC vs. .300 Win Mag: Rifle Cartridge Comparison Review, The Colt Anaconda .44 Rem. Thus, the judicious reloader should not try to soup up handloads. The Best .17 HMR Rifles | American Firearms This is based on instrumental CCI 450. Scott Rupp gets a chance to talk to Aaron Oelger about a few new products from Hodgdon and why reloading store shelves are empty. The powder shot 139-grain bullets a touch over 3,300 fps from a 7mm Remington Magnum. A 24-grain payload of RL15 shot the 20-grain V-Max out at 4,040fps on a cold day and 4,120fps on a hot one, with 25 grain absolute max grounding out at 4,200fps fast enough for anyone. I have shot enough targets and vermin with a .17 to say that, in my rifles, these statements are unfounded. The .17 ballistics This fast-burning, double-base, extruded powder is made in Canada. Just load it up with some carefully prepared handloads, shoot it, and have fun. grain Speer TNT JHP bullet at a claimed MV of 2550 fps and ME of 245 The Remington Golden Bullet offers excellent reliability in a wide range of firearms. Slower-burning powders, such as Accurate 2460 and Ramshot TAC, increase velocities with heavier bullets, but not all that much. You find 3 loads in caliber .17 Rem. need to hold 5.5" above the desired point of impact. I calculated the Handloading the .222 Remington | Handloader Magazine .17 Rimfire Rifle Accuracy Test Results - CHUCKHAWKS.COM Velocity 3025 with 168s, 2975 with 180s. These were with 25gr Hornady hp's seated .005" off . The brass is good quality and it's great for reloading, and the loaded ammo isn't much more expensive once fired brass, which is hard to find for the .22 Hornet. This means the bullet hits dead on at 145 yards and about 1.5" low at I should add, that although the Berger's are a bit pricey, I think they are very much worth it. are the Speer 180- and 220-grain softpoint flatnose (SPFN). Only thing I don't like about the 17 cal is, bullets. Does anyone know how much smaller the volume is on this brass vs Rem brass? 22g of H322 with a 25g Berger, always use a thick cup primer in the 17 Remington: Standard load for a 17 Remington is 24g of 4320, but velocity is 4150 and you will have to de copper after 25 rounds, especially in a new barrel. I was shooting a custom Remington 40X in .220 Swift, and out to 300 yards my friend never failed to match me shot for shot. I also use Berger bullets, which offer weights from 15-grain, 18-grain, 20-grain, 22-grain and 25-grain bullets, with two heavier bullets of 30 grain and 37 grain. The .35 Remingtons rim was slightly larger, at 0.460 inch, and the case was a little shorter, 1.92 inches versus 2.03 inches for the other Remington rounds. 3100 fps. As with any reloading project, after charging the cases, it is prudent to shine a flashlight into each and every case to see that they all have powder in them and that the powder is at the same level. The second rifle is a Traditions Outfitter single shot. Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.92", (TIE) CZ Model 452-2E American, .17 HMR - 1.06", Anschutz Model 1717 D KL, .17 HMR - 1.08", (TIE) Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 1.13", (TIE) Remington Model 504-T LS HB, .17 HMR - 1.16", Thompson/Center Contender G2, .17 HMR - 1.21", Marlin Model 917VS ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.25", Winchester 1885 Low Wall Hunter, .17 WSM - 1.25", Savage Model 93R17 Classic, .17 HMR - 1.31", Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.44", Stevens Favorite Model 30R17, .17 HMR - 1.46", Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.54", Winchester 1885 Low Wall, .17 HMR - 2.05", Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 0.69" (Remington), Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.73" (CCI), Savage B.MAG Target, .17 WSM - 0.75" (Winchester), Thompson/Center Contender G2, .17 HMR - 0.80" (Remington), Remington Model 597 LS HB, .17 HMR - 0.84" (CCI), Browning T-Bolt Target/Varmint, .17 HMR - 0.88" (Winchester), Anschutz Model 1717 D KL, .17 HMR - 0.93" (Remington), Weatherby Mark XXII, .17 HMR - 0.94" (Hornady), CZ Model 452-2E American, .17 HMR - 0.96" (CCI), Remington Model 504-T LS HB, .17 HMR - 0.98" (Federal), (TIE) Marlin Model 917VS ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.0" (Hornady), Anschutz Model 1502 D HB, .17 M2 - 1.06" (Hornady), Marlin Model 917VS ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.13" (Hornady), (TIE) Savage Model 93R17-BTVS, .17 HMR - 1.17" (CCI), (TIE) Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.25" (Hornady), Stevens Favorite Model 30R17, .17 HMR - 1.27" (Hornady & Remington - tie), (TIE)Henry Golden Boy, .17 HMR - 1.40" (Remington), Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.47" (CCI), Winchester 1885 Low Wall, .17 HMR - 1.5" (Remington). ft. lbs. It had a 24-inch heavy barrel. If this is the situation with the Model 336 at hand, the simple solution is to trim the cases about 0.010 inch shorter than the trim length noted earlier. the problem. Powder and charge in grains: 70.7 grains of H1000 for 168s, 69.0 grains with 180s. Absolutely uncanny.. That pair shot five bullets well under .5 inch the best the old Swift rifle has shot any load. Accurate Rifle Powders | Handloader Magazine Gee, I thought there'd be a bunch of posts on this one! He called it the .17 Pee Wee and built a dramatically scaled-down 1917 Enfield action specifically for it. The neck of the case will be shorter than on cases formed from .22 Hornet brass, but accuracy is the same and flickertails dont seem to mind. The M1903 Springfield, officially the United States Rifle, Caliber .30-06, Model 1903, is an American five-round magazine-fed, bolt-action service repeating rifle, used primarily during the first half of the 20th century.. Note: Complete reviews of all of these rifles can be found on the Product Reviews index page. The factory ammo was and is very accurate ammo, this load may possible be Remington's recipe. Patrick's top picks for loading the .17 Remington Fireball are Hodgdon's CFE BLK, Accurate's A-2200, Alliant's Reloder 10x and Western Powders' Ramshot X-Terminator. Nov 26, 2017. I'll be trying a load .5 gr. Id say that is darn good accuracy for a cartridge invented in 1906. 17 Fireball accuracy. security jobs paying $30 an hour; most accurate 17 remington load Shooter's Reference Load Data for .17 Remington The full-page lead photo was filled with two hunters, one tiny rifle and a huge Alaskan brown bear wearing a hide that surely squared 10 feet or better. The new .20 calibres now coming on to the market, however, are very interesting and will be my next calibre to review. .17-Caliber Reloading Data and History for 5 Cartridges Javascript is required. BP-B2. If I dropped the charge accuracy went in the dumps. : 2.150" Powder: 24.1 gr 25.9 gr Vel. It offered longer barrel life, could be loaded to different velocity levels while retaining accuracy for increased versatility, longer case life, and it nearly duplicated the Swift's muzzle velocity. (See the article Compared: .17 HMR Varmint Ammunition for more details about .17 HMR ammo.). Range Report - Most accurate 223/5.56 factory ammo brand It can be loaded in the .22 Hornet and in the .223 Remington with 55-grain and lighter bullets. Today, the .35 Rem. Joined: Dec 2015. Zero the .17 Ackley Hornet with the Hornady 20-grain V-Max at 3,600 fps two inches high at 100 yards and it is two inches high at 200 yards and four inches low at 300. Considering that I can't get anywhere close to the lands, I think this about the best I can do. If my 57-year-old eyes are clear that day. Remington 7 1/2 BR. A 15-grain bullet will exit a barrel at hair-raising velocities initially, Ive had more than 4,300fps with a near maximum load, that gives 616ft/lb energy at the muzzle. Varget loads for the .222 / .222 Magnum--- - benchrest.com consisted of 5-shot groups at 100 yards. What's your most accurate .25-06 reload? | GON Forum The powder also shot well with 50-grain bullets fired in the .22-250. The .172 (not .177) calibre is tiny and the barrels, cleaning rods, powder funnels as well as good bullets, all proved difficult to source. HORNADY Varmint Express: high 2698 fps; low 2621 fps; (Both 15-grain and 18-grain bullets can be loaded faster but you are restricted by barrel length to achieve velocities and erratic bullet performance, blow-ups for instance.). at 4,300 fps and is zeroed two inches high at 100 yards, it is dead on the money at 300 yards. Remington surprised everyone by legitimising the .17 by not domesticating the .17/223 cartridge, as expected, but by using the .223 case and pushing the shoulder back, therefore producing a longer neck. Well, the reasons are simple. This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. 100 yards with the 17 Grain V-MAX bullet at a catalog MV of 2550 fps. claimed MV of 2650 fps and ME of 264 ft. lbs. . Bullet Allinant Reloader 10 @ 16.5 gr. Introduced earlier this year, the 17 Fireball is based on a .221 Fireball necked down to 17 caliber. However, bullet performance and wind drift will invariably play a more important role at these ranges. All rights reserved. H4350 Vs Imr4350beretta cheetah vs walther ppk; how to tell if someone published MV by a whopping 125 fps. Anything that travels at those speeds with such a small mass will have a small ballistic coefficient. Deer seasons in the UK. A form die set is required if .221 Fireball cases are used, but those lucky enough to find Remington .17 Fireball brass can simply run them through a .17 Mach IV full-length sizing die, add primer, powder and bullet, and head for the varmint fields. rifles still filling freezers with venison, walls with mounted deer heads, and floors with bearskin rugs. This result is almost unheard can also be quite accurate. The Remington factory load of a 25-grain bullet travelling at approximately 3,900fps (from my rifle) generating 845ft/lb energy is great if you do not want to reload. Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. The 7mm Remington Magnum is capable of pushing 160-grain bullets to 3,000 and even 3,100 fps, which makes it an excellent choice for deer and antelope hunting. The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. 17 Rem Fireball Load Data Now Available Daily Bulletin 17 Remington Load Data - 24hourcampfire After firing many rounds through a Marlin Model 336, I have to say that LVR is far and away the best powder for this cartridge, but there are several other propellants that also work well. It never failed, allways shot them behind the shoulder. mean average group = 1-17/32". Throwback Thursday: 5 Good .223 Remington Loads I've managed to get 5 shot groups of .55" @ 100, and 1.70" @ 300. mine likes 4895 either hodgens or imr 20gr vmax or 25 gr bergers half inch or better 3 shot groups. Initial problems and Shooting Online Chrony chronograph. Its best use is for low-pressure, cast-bullet loads in the .223 on up to the .45-70. All proved to be The one I have now is a SAKO A1. But I and my customers experienced an almost Zen-like target using my commercial 230g Golden Saber SD load. All rights reserved. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Using Hornady .17 Hornet brass to form .17 Ackley Hornet cases eliminates the need for case-forming dies. What It Is Not. It was the most accurate rifle and load I ever used. Groups hover around an inch at 100 yards. The Remington Model Seven is ready, willing and able to handle just about any task. Barrel Break-In: What It Is. smaller (3-5/16" diameter) bullseyes on each target, which we thought Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. I have shot several five-shot groups that only had three bullet holes on target. When both are loaded to maximum chamber pressures and fired in barrels of the same length, the Ackley cartridge is about 100 fps faster. Please enable javascript before you are allowed to see this page. Ive burned a lot of Accurate 4064 in the .22-250 and .243 Winchester. From Accurate 5744 to 4350, Accurate offers plenty of powders for varmint hunters, from the substantial .25-06 down to the pocket- sized .17 Fireball. In the .257 Ackley Improved, the powder shot Sierra 100-grain Pro-Hunter bullets at 3,018 fps. But do you know how to properly use them? 1 Single-Shot Rifle: Tips to Improve Its Accuracy. Top 10 6.5 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) Rifles, .375 H&H Mag. The first die necks a .22 Hornet case down to .20 caliber. 2-Pack Universal Magazine IWB Concealed Carry Holster, Single Double Stack Mags Pouch for Glock 17 26 43 Sig 1911 S&W M&P 9mm. Then you seem to have a .244, not a 6mm Remington. Starting with a load of 23-grain RL15 with a 15-grain Berger produces 3,610fps. If the case is pulled off the stuck bullet, the powder charge will be spilled into the action.